Mele-On Grayza Baby and John Crichton

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Is Mele-on Grayza Baby belong to John

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John Crichton's Baby
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Someone else
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The Previous Commander?
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Mele-On Grayza Baby and John Crichton

Postby briandug24 on Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:14 am

Does anyone know who's child that Mele-On Grayza will have ? Is the baby John Crichton's. She says in the movie for the sake of our children Peace. Wha she talking about John's and Aeryn son , also about John's and Grayza's baby? Maybe Grayza is having twins?
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Postby Rav Winston on Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:38 pm

I think it belongs to Grandchancellor Marryk. When she said "--for the sake of our children," I think she was speaking in generalities.
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Postby farscapeaddict on Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:53 am

I agree that the baby could be Marryk's, but what happened in What Was Lost can't be ignored, I've got a feeling its John's because life will never be easy for him.
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Postby Rav Winston on Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:01 pm

I still am not convinced. PK officers are genetically modified so that they do not have to get pregnant when they have sex.

I find it unlikely that someone like Grayza would allow herself to become pregnant whilst pursuing an interrogation. From her quote to Akhna, she thought of sex as nothing more than one more tool for her to use in pursuit of her goals.

So I don't think the baby is John's.
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Postby farscapeaddict on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:44 pm

I know what you mean, when you say PK officers are genetically modified so they cannot get pregnant when they have sex, how did Aeryn get pregnant? Just out of interest because I think I've missed something big then lol.

Another thing which confuses me is that Grayza is pregnant from beginning to end of PKWars, if I remember correctly Rebecca Riggs was pregnant during filming but ignoring that, wouldn't Grayza still have a geometric pregnancy?
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Postby Firecracker on Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:13 am

Rav Winston wrote:I still am not convinced. PK officers are genetically modified so that they do not have to get pregnant when they have sex.


Well, even without birth control humans don't get pregnant everytime they have sex. And (as a previous poster mentioned) Aeryn got pregnant when she had sex - unplanned even - and she is certainly a PK Officer.

Rav Winston wrote:I find it unlikely that someone like Grayza would allow herself to become pregnant whilst pursuing an interrogation. From her quote to Akhna, she thought of sex as nothing more than one more tool for her to use in pursuit of her goals.


Fertilization is not pregnancy. Stasis last for seven cycles and the female does not have to release the stasis of any embryo. And a female can carry dozens of fertilised eggs inside her.

So Grayza can afford to be cavalier about birth control - cause she has complete control over her reproduction. Bring the egg to term or not... her choice when she decides to make it.

And ... why wouldn't Grayza want John Crichton's DNA? The Scarran's believed the fetal DNA could have wormhole knowledge encoded upon it.

Grayza might have decided to use that particular method as a fallback - just in case John Crichton proved recalitrant or *gasp* escape.

Which, by golly, I think he did.

So yes. I think the baby is John Crichtons.

And there kinda is the clincher. There is no way that David Kemper (eeevviiiil genius that he is) would pass up this chance to torment and torture his viewers.
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What if ?

Postby briandug24 on Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:04 am

What if she thought that she could get the wormhole knowledge from the offspring of John?

Rav Winston wrote:I still am not convinced. PK officers are genetically modified so that they do not have to get pregnant when they have sex.

I find it unlikely that someone like Grayza would allow herself to become pregnant whilst pursuing an interrogation. From her quote to Akhna, she thought of sex as nothing more than one more tool for her to use in pursuit of her goals.

So I don't think the baby is John's.
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Postby pushka on Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:40 am

I would imagine it was the Grand Chanellor's, but I guess if they wanted to continue with Farscape, they might say it is John's seeing as it was never explained.

Knowing what Jon is like, and from the Look at the Princess episodes, half of the galaxy may well have his children! They might want to bring in some of these possibilities to get some more drama going between him and Aeryn. I loved it when they fought! Sad though.
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Re: What if ?

Postby Rav Winston on Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:23 pm

briandug24 wrote:What if she thought that she could get the wormhole knowledge from the offspring of John?

Rav Winston wrote:I still am not convinced. PK officers are genetically modified so that they do not have to get pregnant when they have sex.

I find it unlikely that someone like Grayza would allow herself to become pregnant whilst pursuing an interrogation. From her quote to Akhna, she thought of sex as nothing more than one more tool for her to use in pursuit of her goals.

So I don't think the baby is John's.



Honestly, the idea of human foetal DNA carrying any kind of knowledge that the parent organism might have is just silly. That is not how the brain works. If it did, education could be as easy as killing and eating a person who had knowledge you wished to acquire.

If anything, it says more about how grossly ill-informed the Scarrans were about humanoid (Sebaceanoid) physiology.
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Re: What if ?

Postby Firecracker on Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:26 pm

Rav Winston wrote:Honestly, the idea of human foetal DNA carrying any kind of knowledge that the parent organism might have is just silly. That is not how the brain works. If it did, education could be as easy as killing and eating a person who had knowledge you wished to acquire.


That isn't how instinct (i.e., genetically encoded information) works at all. Birds instinctively know where and when to fly south. Not a one of them kills and eats a parent or other ancestor.

How it works is still a mystery to scientists. And until then - it is quite within the realm of imagination to suggest that a technolgically superior race could encode inform on human DNA that might be passed on to offspring.

If anything, it says more about how grossly ill-informed the Scarrans were about humanoid (Sebaceanoid) physiology.


Again no. Scarrans bred Scorpy after all. And he was something like the 90th attempt at breeding Scarran/Sebacean half breeds. The fact that they succeeded (even only once) suggests that they are quite informed about Sebecean physiology.

Not to mention that the very attempt to breed with another species in order to incorporate the positive attributes of the other suggests that they have a very advanced and sophisticated knowledge of many species physiology. Including Sebecean.

Just cause humans don't know something - doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Re: What if ?

Postby Rav Winston on Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:27 pm

Firecracker wrote:Just cause humans don't know something - doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan


Again, the human brain does not work this way! Knowledge is not the same thing as instinct.
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Re: What if ?

Postby Firecracker on Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:47 am

Rav Winston wrote:
Firecracker wrote:Just cause humans don't know something - doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan


Again, the human brain does not work this way! Knowledge is not the same thing as instinct.


You are forgetting the Ancients and their interference. Who knows what they can do?

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Re: What if ?

Postby Emram on Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:15 pm

Rav Winston wrote:
Firecracker wrote:Just cause humans don't know something - doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan


Again, the human brain does not work this way! Knowledge is not the same thing as instinct.


One thing I think you're missing there, Rav, is that it's not the knowledge of wormholes that anyone wants - the PKs and the Scarrans had both done their own research into wormholes. However, John is the only one who has the instinct to control them. Maybe that's what the Scarrans were looking for in the foetal DNA.

Just a thought - personally, I'm pretty much with you on this one, acquired knowledge can't be passed down via genetics. Cut a mouse's tail off, it won't have baby mice with no tails.
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Postby Rav Winston on Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:23 pm

Well, that's intersting-- Then perhaps it is the fact that humans have the natural instincts to allow them to "wormhole surf" that led the ancients to choose John as opposed to the myriad other species of which they already had knowledge.
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Postby Allara on Fri May 11, 2007 3:23 am

I just finished Season 4.. again.. and caught something suspicious. Oh, how I love Farscape. After the 'start-a-civil-war-and-walk-out' plan failed because of Scorpius' slight betrayal, John and Aeryn are escorted to the Peacekeeper Command Carrier to try and hatch out a new escape plan with Grayza and Bracca. Something she "almost" said caught my attention.
I can't quote it word for word but it follows the line that goes somewhat like this, "I've been in your hands and there is no peace there" spoken by John. She says something about, "Now I am.." and gets very, obviously frustrated. He thinks she is upset about losing the prospect of peace for her people and, yes, the episode continues to show that she is willing to do anything to accomplish that.
Anyway, he says, "frelled, screwed, raped." But I'm thinking- maybe she was going to say "pregnant." However, I have my doubts. Would Grayza really frell up a plan of her own that badly? Just food for thought the next time you watch the episode.
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